Aspiemom wrote:The first time I heard DB belt out "I love America," I thought "Where are you going with this?" I'll lead with that question. What's the song about? Do you find it funny, sexy, offensive?
Also, what's your favorite performance of this song? Did you ever hear it performed live? Please share.
Oedepus wrote:impossible to analyze or explain because it was done with the intention of avoiding any rationality. David Bowie would also cut up phrases and construct them into lyrics.
muleskinner wrote:Have read the "song of the week" topics with interest. "Miss America" is one of the few songs of DB and/or TH which actually lends itself to fairly easy interpretation. Plain and simple, it's a clever and ironic protest song.
muleskinner wrote:As for interpreting/analyzing many (I'd argue most) of his songs, it's probably worthwhile to consider DB's song writing process before spending too much time trying to decipher them. By his own description, he usually lays down a melody or basic song structure first, then spends days, weeks, or months recording what he describes as random statements, words, quasi words, or "found phrases" (whether overheard on the street or on a plane, or in some graffiti under a bridge, into a mini recorder he carries with him on the go).
muleskinner wrote:If you've read the book by Sytze Steenstra "Song and circumstance", in which he makes a very convincing argument that DB ultimately draws from the Romantics of the 1800s, who in turn influenced the surrealists, the Dadaists, etc., then you might find that trying to decipher or interpret much of the lyrics is, well, futile. DB, and all of these mentioned categories of artists also subscribed to a creative method of tapping into the subconscious, and especially dreams.
So, if we have any Jungian psychologists/analysts among the group, discuss amongst yourselves.
I'm getting verklempt.
Oedepus wrote:Aspiemom, I'm so dumb for not reading your name correctly, all this time I thought you were a guy
The song totally exploits the bad girl fascination, in a way in which she's not at all a dislikeable character to the listener. I'd also like to point out something I mentioned in the essay, the line "you'll be my supermodel" it's really interesting because it could go either way, she's the narrator's private super model, or she's the narrator's archetype (a super model as in a female ubermensch?) or, she's his super model because he's the only one that really sees her that way...
s!mbells wrote:And thanks for the clip links - The film clip is beauty and madness. if it was the best party you ever went to, better that parties they have have in heaven - would you have the will (or want) to leave?
s!mbells wrote:My head is a bit fuzzy but I have some questions:
Is this really the America you live in? I feel it's the America we all live in - who's really in control anyway - is this song a conspiracy theory?
Whats' her secret?
What's the parts we haven't seen - is this good or bad, dangerous or safe - do we want to know?
What doe she look like without platform shoes?
When does she fuck us?
Does it feels like I'm in Mexico???
Does he a a favorite Superhero - the future President maybe?
Pants down her ankles - what perfect comedic imagery - yet makes a huge statement! Has someone been exposed?
Aspiemom wrote:Supermodel is an interesting word, especially after Supergirl. Have you considered that it may be a play on Superpower, or on America's holding itself up as a model for the rest of the world to emulate?
Aspiemom wrote:Really? I see layer after layer of grotesque at that party. It looks more like Hell to me.
s!mbells wrote:Oedepus - You are obviously a huge fan of this song and I'm glad that you found the world of DB / TH. Your passion for the song is clear in your essay. I'm sure DB would be grateful he has infected your world in a such a positive manner . They (DB / TH) are truly unique. It is a special song and the film clip is a masterpiece.
s!mbells wrote:What I was looking for with my questions were examples of what the secret might be - he comes across like he has an insight. Is it what the foundations of what USA is built around or could it be corruption etc
"What doe she look like without platform shoes?" - is he saying, she's not so tall, not so powerful etc
I'm trying to imagine what are the parts we've never seen - homeless, corruption (again), all the conspiracy theories one can think off???
I also wonder if this song is gender specific - ie he chooses to present her as feminine but is it really gender specific? (ie like a boat or ship is refereed to in the female gender)
[/quote]Oedepus wrote:for example have you seen the Angels and Back in the box music videos? there's another surprise waiting there.
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